Isabel Kaufhold is teacher at the Freie Aktive Schule (FAS) in Stuttgart. We talk with her about the teaching & learning strategies and the pedagogy which is behind the free schools in general and the FAS in particular. The inner motivation of the students is the most important thing when deciding what, when and how to learn things at school. It happens the same when we get old. Our inner motivation is the most crucial thing for lifelong learning. Isabel recommends us to listen to the children, observe them more and to judge them less. Questioned about what she would change from the national curriculum, she would remove the grades as they are a way of judging the children with the teacher playing the role of “God”, deciding if each children is or is not reaching the learning goals that the government has defined for his/her age.